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Publisher's Summary
Children of the Mind is the fourth and final volume in the original Ender Saga by Orson Scott Card, winner of the Hugo and Nebula award.
Critic Reviews
"This is a worthy ending to what might be styled a saga of the ethical evolution of humanity, a concept seldom attempted before and never realized with the success Card achieves here." (Booklist)
"Card's prose is powerful." (Publishers Weekly)
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- EFH52
- 01-03-05
2 Clear Schools of thought.
Reading the reviews, I found two prevailing views. "Bravo" and "Boo!". Little in between. The "Bravo"'s enjoyed a thoughtful and insightful tale telling. The "Boo"'s missed the action found in the first novel of this series Ender's Game.
Read what the auther says . . .
. . ."I have never found it surprising that the existing sequels -- Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind -- never appealed as strongly to those younger readers. The obvious reason is that Ender's Game is centered around a child, while the sequels are about adults; perhaps more importantly, Ender's Game is, at least on the surface, a heroic, adventurous novel, while the sequels are a completely different kind of fiction, slower paced, more contemplative and idea-centered, and dealing with themes of less immediate import to younger readers." . . .
He further went on to separate the two tales. Saying that Ender's Game stands on it's own. The following 3 books are their own tale.
Bottom line: They are all great books, but if you seek action stop at Ender's Game. Good thought provoking writing continues in the other books in the series, but much less action oriented.
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- Jim
- 04-10-07
Hmm
OK look, this book AND Xenocide must be read/listened to together; they are essentially one book. So if you cannot make it through Xenocide then there is no real reason why you should continue on through Children of The Mind, even though C.o.T.M. IS a better book. It would be stretching the truth if someone said these two were solely about Ender. Yes, Ender is in them and he plays a very pivotal role but it's also about his family. (A Very VERY dysfunctional family) There are some VERY useless characters these two books, in fact the whole Chinese thing in Xenocide could be axed completely.
The whole point of these two books is for Card to relate and discuss philosophy. Why are we here, who are we, etc. IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED OR MATURE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THIS MUCH DEEP THOUGHT IN PHILOSOPHY THEN THESE ARE NOT THE BOOKS FOR YOU. If you're just reading these books to finish the Ender story you WILL be disappointed in the story but you will be satisfied in knowing what becomes of Ender. I listened to these books to finish the story and found myself wondering why useless characters were arguing over silly subjects; A LOT! Until you take a step back and accept the philosophical discussions that take place you will have a hard time continuing through the books.
Realize this, Card wrote Xenocide in '91 and Children of the Mind in '96 and states in his audio version of Children that there will be another book that will tie in to the Shadow series and wrap this up. Expect a wait.
As for the Audio presentations for both Xeno and Children, the voice actors were EXCELLENT. The only problem I had was the randomness of musical interludes in Xeno and the randomness of who was reading in Children. Although I very much appreciated the spacing out of sections read, even though they weren't tied to chapters. It felt like they read enough for someone driving to and from work.
I loved the ending and Children was a very redeeming book compared to Xenocide.
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- Etcetera
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That fake Chinese accent is the one bad thing here
Wonderful story. -1 Overall star because of that reader with the awful fake Chinese accent
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- Cranberry
- 07-22-08
More good stuff
I continue to enjoy these books and their narrators. The story has changed so much from the original Ender's Game, but I enjoyed this one as much -- for very different reasons.
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- Phil
- 01-12-05
A Refreshing Point of View
Children of The Mind is the best in the 4 part series. It put a fresh twist on reality that is both fasinating and enjoyable. You have to read the first three for this one to make any sence. I am disappointed that he asn't come out with another book in this series. It leaves you wanting more. The story should go on!
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- Amazon Customer
- 04-15-05
A Masterwork for Card
I have read some of the reviews here so far and I have to assume that they are mostly written by children. Card is one of the premier fiction authors of our age. In a genre such as science fiction, it is not common to find an author who can articulate the human experience while developing unique, interesting speculations on science and philosophy. In all of Card's works, he breathes life into the characters and creates palpable tension throughout the story. The acid test is this: do you care about the characters and find what they are doing relevant? There is no doubt that Card can pull this off with aplomb and style.
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- Ed
- 01-08-17
End Your Ender Addiction
The narration is very good but it still can't breath life into this drawn out philosophical story. If you find yourself addicted to the Enderverse, this book will break your cravings. You will stop caring about the amazing characters from the previous books. The issues addressed in the book are very interesting but could be delivered better in a more efficient combination of Xenocide and Children of the Mind.
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- Mister O
- 06-08-16
Couldn't even finish
Having read the Ender series thus far as well as the Shadow series, I was looking forward to a satisfying conclusion and was faced with this cringeworthy over the top emotional tragedy. Which is a shame because the science fiction isn't half bad, but hidden so deep in tear filled confrontation and completely unrelatable characters and jagged pacing. The narrators are abut uneven, a few really shine (the father tree springs to mind) but several set my teeth on edge. 4 hours before the end I deleted the audiobook, very close to the end but realizing life is too short and I should spend more time on the books I want to hear.
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- Corey
- 10-04-04
Terrible, doesn't do the series justice
Flee while you can! Don't waste your money on this book. The reading is fine, but the book itself is TERRIBLE! I'm a big fan of Orson Scott Card's, and I've read just about every Ender book in the series, but this is just awful - I couldn't make it through the book, try as I might. In my opinion, after the second half of Xenocide the story just went downhill.
The dialogue is just impossible to bear - it's like being stuck in a car with people who bicker ALL THE TIME and just won't let up. And it's not even interesting bickering, it's just a lot of mindless soap-opera-esque banter that just makes you want to drive off the edge of the highway to provide sweat relief to yourself, your stereo, and anyone else nearby who might have had the misfortune of overhearing your audiobook.
Ok here's my advice: if you felt like the later portion of Xenocide was really great (i.e. that extra-special form of travel and the "creation" of certain individuals from a key character), then ignore my opinion. However, if you thought "OK that was a little lame, but _surely_ the next book will make it all better." then heed my warning! Save yourself! It's not too late!
Cheers!
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- Bethany
- 09-14-04
The Worst Ender Book By Far
Ugh. Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead were two of my favorite books because each presented a new "aha!" concept. Speaker for the Dead was especially interesting to me with the concepts of the third life and the philotic connections. In those books, Card made his point in a subtle way that I enjoyed greatly.
Sitting through Children of the Mind was like going to a bad college lecture in which the ponderous professor *tells* you his lesson instead of bringing it to life through an example.
The story here was slow, and it went nowhere. The characters were endlessly lecturing themselves and each other. And Card seemed to spend half of ths book reprising the concepts in the previous ones.
All in all, a great disappointment.
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- Peter
- 06-19-09
A fitting ending...
Although the concluding book in the series, this was primarily a sequel to the storylines in Xenocide, with both books initially being conceived as one larger book until the story became too long. As such, it was an excellent conclusion which left me wanting to know more of the various characters and their exploits.
As a conclusion to the Ender series as a whole, again, it tied up all the loose ends nicely and made the four books of the series, a wonderful listening experience. I cannot recommend the series highly enough for the depth of characters, the interesting multiple storylines, the wonderful concepts and ideas that OSC introduces and the exemplary reading by a consistently high-performance narration team. Thank you OSC and all involved in producing these audiobooks.
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- T. Ward
- 04-27-20
Most of the characters are now horrible!
I loved Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide, all 5 stars, but this was utterly horrible to listen too.
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- Amazon Customer
- 09-13-17
children of the mind
Sort of ok I couldnt take another lDescolada planet guilt fest . I do miss Ender though he was the ultimate hero / villain and without him I would lose interest. Sorry Oscar but hey ive sunk a few dollars to get to this decision. Ender and Bean and Peter and Valentine I'll miss them
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- kevin geraghty
- 10-16-20
Amazing!
The Ender Saga is a must. Children of the mind is a thought provoking book which provides an emotional end to a beautiful series.
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- Pigmanrocker
- 09-26-18
Another banger
All of orsons scott card's books in the shadow and ender sagas are plain amazing
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- Reuben
- 07-16-18
top notch
loved it,my only gripe is that I didn't have enough credits to buy the whole series in one go
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- Kindle Customer
- 07-31-17
loved it
loved it from beginning to end. I'd hear more about the workers individuality, it sounded interesting.
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- T
- 07-09-17
Disappointing end to the saga.. But still great
Disappointing end to the saga.. But still great.. Think speaker for the dead is my favorite.
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- Meghesh Nandi
- 12-29-16
An amazing end to an amazing a trilogy... !!
Brilliant story... A somewhat happy ending... Opens ur eyes to a new philosophy... And the best past is that there are no loose ends..
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- Patricia
- 05-21-16
Many deep thoughts provoked by this book.
I loved this book, it was as though I was delving into hidden depths within myself as I listened.
It made me question myself and it at times was like a mirror reflecting behaviour and crystalized beliefs that were then shattered and out of this I feel like I have gained some insight joined some dots and felt very invested in the lives of the characters.
I thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
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- Amanda
- 06-27-17
It just keeps getting better
Orson Scott Card, Please please write the next book. I'm dying to continue this journey
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- B$
- 06-25-14
Taken in Halves
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Initially, I started Children of the Mind directly after finishing Xenocide. Whilst the narrative flow makes sense, the heavy narrative style became tiring. I stopped listening halfway through CotM; as there is much in-depth philosophical musing about the nature of philotes and aiúa's; 'who is who'; how the characters should classify their relationships; soul vs. memory, and genetic codes.
Don't get me wrong- I enjoyed this aspect of the CotM, I love knowing as much as I can about the lore of a universe, but it was a lot of speculation and information, and even though it's told from the view of the characters, they almost faded into the background; facilitating the musings rather than driving the plot.
However, a few months later I have finished CotM and I am enchanted by the Enderverse all over again. The performance by Gabrielle de Cuir and John Rubinstein was stellar (though there was an odd, phonetic pronunciation of the Samoan word: Papāalagi), it was grand to have the same voices throughout the Ender Series. The characters re-engaged and although I missed the usual, central involvement of Andrew, his withdrawal allowed some of the other characters to develop in interesting ways. Andrew was still a central aspect of all of their lives; his actions, morality and legacy were evident to the end.
The final thing that I want to say about Children of the Mind is that even though I needed to split it in two; when I finished the second half I felt somehow more whole.
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- Alex Fleming
- 08-21-16
Disappointed.
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I really, really loved Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead - Speaker for the Dead was so good it got me back into "reading" fiction. I was hoping that after Xenocide (and the complaints about it being full of long, unnecessary discussions on philosophy, and feeling like you're being fed Orson Scott Card's world views) there might be some changes to how the book was presented. Unfortunately, it still seems to have these unnecessary discussions (which, again, feel like you're being fed the author's personal opinions all the time), the 'kinda' racist fake Asian accents, and the stereotyping of different races and religions is also increased (big, fat and loud Samoans, honorable Japanese etc).
I didn't enjoy the last two books, even though I was really hoping to. Characters were made even more annoying, and the plot-line was also hard to follow and seemed a bit... mystical. I don't regret listening to them, but I'm disappointed in them.
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- Nat
- 08-18-20
Disappointing
I have enjoyed this series up until this book. Unfortunately the relationship between Jane and Miro was just so uninteresting and a kinda weird male centric fantasy that I couldn’t get into it.
There are some cool ideas in this book but they are on the periphery and the bulk of the book focuses on the dull relationship of an unlikeable dude and a perfect (simple and pretty) woman.
Give it a miss.
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- LC
- 01-06-17
A good wrap up of Ender's Story
Thoroughly enjoyed the entire series of Ender's story, yet I eagerly anticipate the revelations of the next book! Great performance and overall production!
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- Pavel Shlykov
- 07-10-16
Mixed feeling about the story but still recommend
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Well, the story has even more schizophrenic lines/thoughts than Xenocide. Sometimes I wanted to fast forward those conversations between Miro and Val because they really did not make sense to me. But who am I to judge, in the end this is me not getting the author's ideas. Still, the story makes sense overall and is thrilling, making you want to keep following it. There's another thing troubling me -- the narration. Since the narrating team had a few men and women wouldn't it make more sense to read in a woman's voice for a woman character and in a man's voice for a man character? I didn't get it at all why while having as team they were splitting the story in a weird way.
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- Robert
- 02-23-16
the end of the enderverse :(
loved the entire series. this one wasn't up to par and felt like it rushed to the conclusion of the series but I guess everything needs to end at one point or another.