Muck-iavelli

Machiavelli 2.0. Take the Prince, add the following, and you have this book: Ceaselessly accuse your opponents of immorality, of bad motives, of bias and bigotry, while acting morally indignant, and endlessly agitate against them. Voila! If anyone wants to know what motivates Critical Theory, Grievance Studies, and Social Justice warfare, read this book. Hearing one of their gurus encouraging them to be endlessly disingenuous in their phony moral outrage ought to enable you to become immunized from its usual effect on your otherwise good conscience.

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Informative, dangerous, and terrifying

Rules for Radicals, much like The Prince by Machiavelli, gives the reader a keen insight into the nature of power. It is unapologetic in its methods for attaining and using power for political change. Saul Alinsky does not bog down the reader with moral questions nor attempts to answer them himself. The purpose of this book is to give the reader a guide for how to be an effective organizer, with no concern to what is being fought for.

The brilliance of this book is it's clarity and unapologetic understanding of power. The lack of morals leaves the ambivalent reader terrified and the rational reader angered by the total worship of power.

This book is chalked full of cold and manipulative ways of destroying political opponents. This is "the ends justify the means" in book form. Dangerous in the hands of those who seek to divide and destroy the social fabric. Never recommend this book to those who worship the crack cocaine that is power.

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Best To Read Your Enemy's Playbook

I'm happy Alinsky's tactics have given rise to a MAGA organized conservative community pushing back

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Horrifying

I've read many books from the right and the from the left end of the political spectrum. Many authors who take aim at the American system often fall short with an entrenched bias that weakens their critiques and inevitable solutions. Not so with Mr. Alinksky. This is one of the first books that I have read that bore a chilling grasp of reality and an unapologetic commitment to attack thy neighbor. It's important to note--Alinsky was not a documented socialist or communist...he's a pure Anti-American who stands alone in his 'action' ideology. I found myself fearing his thinking as much as I did appreciating the cold logic he brought to bear on these pages. He doesn't seem to really want a peaceful society but envisions a society that is constantly at war with itself from within. Make no mistake, the ideas of this book are dangerous because they are realistically cunning. He outlines his dismissal of ethics in social warfare and makes the age-old case for the ends justifying the means, step 1 for any evil enterprise. He advocates for absolutism in public debate. A radical, he tells us, is 100% right and those who oppose a radical are 100% wrong. No middle ground. No compromise. No doubts.

The most horrifying conclusion is who Saul Alinsky identifies as Public Enemy #1 in America: the middle class. Me, you, and roughly 55% of Americans who make up the power base of the country and so, Saul's call to arms is aimed solely at the middle class. His vision is to undermine Middle America's belief system...to ridicule that way of life...to mock and agitate middle-class people...and ultimately to turn the middle class against each other. Saul evens opens the book with a salute to the "very first radical" whom he admired, namely, Lucifer. Jeesh.

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Everything I thought if would be and more!

Many people on the right have said this was the playbook for POTUS44 and I can totally agree. However I also believe it can be used by anyone on either side of the political spectrum. It's definitely a great guide for someone who wants to deceive even those on their own team. When I was finished reading and the main thing that has stuck with me was how arrogant Saul Alinsky must have been.

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I'm sorry I didn't read /listen to this years ago

Discussions on lower income middle class are the most relevant I've seen for today's context.

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A Moral Dichotomy

Is there anything you would change about this book?

The book is a symptom of the age it was written in. The thoughts that provoke it are roughly 50 years old. Kent State, Vietnam, Race Riots, etc., are the stage for Alinsky's acts. Alinsky generally wants to effect "meaningful" change in the environment that surrounds him, and using "radical" political tactics to attempt it. What I would change about the book is not Alinsky's tactics, because they are just a symptom of the nature of what happens when you have large multinational corporations and all-powerful, unaccountable-to-the-people government actors. What I would change is our tendency in the USA to assume that bigger, larger, more government, "if there was just a law that" unbridled use of force by those in power against those not in power will solve our perception of what ails our country. We are our own worst enemies. It is not a left thing nor a right thing, because both use that power to retaliate against one another when they have it. Inasmuch, it is a vicious circle where human beings in general lose.

What was the most interesting aspect of this story? The least interesting?

What was amazing to me is that for all Alinsky wants to change, for all his tactics, for all that he visions for the future, much of it has come to pass. Both of the major political parties in the USA use his tactics. Yet 45 years hence, his vision was short-sighted for the very reasons of his "change at any cost" tactics themselves in my honest opinion. "The Way Ahead" is the last part of his book which summarizes the very issues that have motivated Alinsky to write this book. The issues still exist today, regardless of the very use of his tactics. The Democrats are just as much war mongers as the Republicans. The middle-class is disappearing, the very people that he describes as bourgeoisie, and decadent. Yet we find that this class is the one that provides a stability / productivity function for the success of any nation. The poorest 1% of our country are the richest 99% compared to the rest of the world. The police are more militarized than anything we ever saw in the turbulent '60s, and instead of using the art of negotiation to diffuse conflict, the course of action is to shoot first, and manufacture evidence second. There still is no accountability. There is no equality of justice. "The silent majority now are hurt, bitter, suspicious, feeling rejected and at bay. This sick condition in many ways is as explosive as the current race crisis. Their fears and frustrations at their helplessness are mounting to a point of a political paranoia which can demonize people to turn to the law of survival in the narrowest sense." Does not each side of the political process not feel this way about the other? "Of all the pollution around us, none compares to the political pollution of The Pentagon. From the Vietnam War, simultaneously suicidal and murderous, to a policy of getting out by getting in deeper and wider, to the Pentagon reports that strain even a moron's intelligence that within the next 6 months, the war would be won." Can we cut and paste Iraq, Syria, Libya in place of Vietnam and get any different story? These are both the most and least interesting aspects of this story because we have history as our guide. You can't change the corruption of the military industrial complex, the political parties with the corporate lobbyists and PACs that play both sides of the aisle, the DC cesspool where "absolute power corrupts absolutely" by implementing "reforms" and restrictions that put more power in the hands of the corrupt and unanswerable elite and take away the power from the people themselves. The answer is individualism, accountability, competition, and equal justice for everyone, which is the antithesis of how our Federal, State, and Local governments operate today.

Did Rules for Radicals inspire you to do anything?

Yes, it did inspire me to recognize Alinsky's tactics in use today and how to formulate countermeasures against them. "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", Chapter 3.

Any additional comments?

One of Hillary Clinton's mentors was Saul Alinsky. Understanding Alinsky gives you insight into the political actors that make up government today. They use his tactics on "both sides of the aisle." Regardless of how distasteful I find politics and these tactics, those that do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

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Think Machiavelli, think Robert Greene

What made the experience of listening to Rules for Radicals the most enjoyable?

I bought this book just moments after listening to Ben Carson's speech at the GOP convention. And I'm sure many Americans did, so I guess the producers of this book can thank the brain surgeon.
If you've read "The Prince" and "The 48 Laws of Power", this book will not shock you at all. It's the good old philosophy of pragmatism and realpolitik. Something that is not new to the american's way of doing things, whether they're Liberals or conservatives. Do what you can with what you've got, in order to achieve what you want. Period.
The one new thing that I've learned from this book is the way Alinsky rationalises the means and the ends. He doesn't exactly think that the ends justify the means, but he thinks each particular ends call for some particular means at a particular moment. Example: it's hardly believable that America dropped the A-bombs on Japan in august 1945 solely in order to save american lives. But that argument would have been more believable if the bombs were dropped the day after Pearl Harbor. Nobody approves murder, but everybody respects self defense. So no means is intrinsically bad or good, only the circumstance makes it bad or good. I thought that was interesting.

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Finding The New Within The Old...

Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?

Being an Tea Party, independent conservative libertarian that has listened to conservative talk radio for 30 years, I have always heard about this book being satanic to be handled with a chem suit and tossed into a landfill, and first to go when needing to burn something for heat, however Alinsky was brilliant and truly ahead of his time. I have read just about every management, strategy and leadership book there is, and this one was the best. I saw a lot of his videos thinking the guy was complete garbage but after reading the book you can see it was an act and he was playing his part. I don't agree with everything he said about the poor and have not's because life is about breaking through the noise and becoming someone and making something of yourself, life is a challenge, its not supposed to be easy to win, however his message was well defined and acute to the times he lived and regardless of anything, he did find his purpose in life and executed it flawlessly.

What was one of the most memorable moments of Rules for Radicals?

I found the book completely enjoyable, but what I did find interesting was that he wrote this book as the counter for The Prince by, Niccolò Machiavelli. Saying that the Prince was made for those that have to keep what they have and his book Rules for Radicals was written to the have not's to take from those that had. I also liked how he stated as long as your friends don't turn their brutal tactics on you they are considered angelic and heavenly, however the moment they turn those same tactics on you they are considered vile, evil and nukeable. I also liked the fact he was viciously hard on himself.

Which character – as performed by Scott Lange – was your favorite?

Scott Lange was an excellent reader, the first thing I did was look for other books he had narrated. I hope he does many more books.

If you could give Rules for Radicals a new subtitle, what would it be?

Radicals is an aged name and it doesn't mean what it used to. But the title should be, "Mastering Mass Persuasion, The Non-Government Propaganda Way."

Any additional comments?

This book is a classic and should be treated as such. This book is not evil, its up there with Drucker, Deming and Durant! What a strategist, tactician, philosopher and executioner!

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Alinsky is wicked

Mostly, this author is wicked. He succeeded in that. But also, this book is quite boring overall. It is almost as boring as the Mueller Report.

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