
The Theory That Would Not Die
 How Bayes' Rule Cracked the Enigma Code, Hunted Down Russian Submarines, and Emerged Triumphant from Two Centuries of Controversy
 Narrated by: Laural Merlington
 Length: 11 hrs and 51 mins
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Publisher's Summary
Bayes' rule appears to be a straightforward, oneline theorem: by updating our initial beliefs with objective new information, we get a new and improved belief. To its adherents, it is an elegant statement about learning from experience. To its opponents, it is subjectivity run amok.
In the firstever account of Bayes' rule for general readers and listeners, Sharon Bertsch McGrayne explores this controversial theorem and the human obsessions surrounding it. She traces its discovery by an amateur mathematician in the 1740s through its development into roughly its modern form by French scientist Pierre Simon Laplace. She reveals why respected statisticians rendered it professionally taboo for 150 years  at the same time that practitioners relied on it to solve crises involving great uncertainty and scanty information, even breaking Germany's Enigma code during World War II, and explains how the advent of offtheshelf computer technology in the 1980s proved to be a gamechanger. Today, Bayes' rule is used everywhere from DNA decoding to Homeland Security.
Drawing on primary source material and interviews with statisticians and other scientists, The Theory That Would Not Die is the riveting account of how a seemingly simple theorem ignited one of the greatest controversies of all time.
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 Billy
 072114
Who is the intended audience?
The book would totally baffle me if I didn't do statistics for a living because McGrayne doesn't even give an example of how Bayes' Rule works until about halfway through the book (using the cigarettes study as an example). She merely tells us that frequentists don't like it but don't explain the underly differences between their approaches. But even with all that assumed knowledge, she doesn't talk about any of the underlying math.
Thus the book assumes too much knowledge on the part of the reader for the book to be for the uninitiated but doesn't give enough information for the initiated. Who is the intended audience? I can't even tell.
20 people found this helpful

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 Lynn
 071512
Read Up on Baye's Before Reading
Sharon McGrayne tackles Baye’s Rule in her volume The Theory that Would Not Die. Along the way she shows how the ‘rule’ has gone under only to reappear in different times, be used in different places, and gather influence under varied circumstances. I found the narrative engaging and the history she presents informative. I wish, however, that she had had an early chapter discussing what Baye’s Rule is, how it works, and what it means to users. Baye’s Rule is well available to those with simple math ability and it seems the book would have a wider audience had she made this allowance. So, if you are familiar with Baye’s Theorem pick up the book and turn some pages. If you are not familiar with the theorem, read up on it a little and then turn those pages. There are unexpected insights in every chapter. The narration of Laural Merlington is good.
19 people found this helpful

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 Ronald
 051712
Poorly read
What did you like about this audiobook?
Did a good job of constructing a story about a particular statistical technique. She overdoes it. Bayes theorm is not the same as the story of Seabiscuit.
What did you find wrong about the narrator's performance?
At first I thought she was a computer generated voice. Her cadence was was odd, adding syllables at random. Many names were mispronounced.
12 people found this helpful

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 Mr. Anonymous
 091512
Maybe it's me, but I still don't understand Bayes
I've taken two statistics classes in my life, and I remember being confused by Bayes in both classes. So I was hoping that this book would clarify matters for me. Sadly, it didn't. I fully realize that the fault might be my own  maybe I just don't have a mind for statistics.
The book did have some interesting stories in it, such as the one about the massive search for a missing atomic bomb that fell into the ocean. However, I never did understand why Bayes' Rule was so controversial (if it works so well in practice, what's not to like about it?), and I'm just as confused as ever about the nuts & bolts of the theorem. I'm almost tempted to crack my old statistics textbooks. Almost.
Incidentally, the reader mispronounced a lot of names.
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 Chris Lunt
 113012
All the wrong details
Would you like to hear about warring academic camps, or would you rather understand in detail how Bayes was applied to solve the problems mentioned in the title? If it's the latter, you'll be disappointed.
8 people found this helpful

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 HBOMB4276
 091712
Fun read, but no depth (if you're a math nerd)
Would you recommend this book to a friend? Why or why not?
If you are looking to hear the math behind how Bayes' Rule did the things it did, you'll come away disappointed. However, this is an entertaining history of how this theorem formed the basis for much of the successes of applied mathematics and statistics over the last 100 years.Learning many of the details of the personal lives / personalities of the some of the founding fathers of modern statistics (Fisher, Pearson, et al) and their battles over the use of this rule was one highlight of this book.
What aspect of Laural Merlington’s performance would you have changed?
Ms Merlingtons' performance was solid...very listenable especially given a relatively dry topic.
Was The Theory That Would Not Die worth the listening time?
Yes, very definitely.
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 The Ayres
 042212
Maybe I wanted more out of this...
What did you like best about The Theory That Would Not Die? What did you like least?
This work should be tagged clearly as primarily an historical treatment of the concepts attributed to Bayes, as well as their evolution. I was hoping for more exposition of the technical details involved in many of the controversies the author documents rather than highlighting the most outrageous position statements on the part of each party. Her treatment of "classified" research and the role of government secrecy in impeding progress that allowed extreme doctrinaire positions to be taken and held for long periods among the academics involved is yet another case for free and unimpeded scientific discourse.
What was the most compelling aspect of this narrative?
For me, treatment of the ways in which application of Bayes Rule crossed so many disciplinary boundaries was enlightening. I had little idea how widespread socalled Bayesian approaches had become in Science outside the fields I'd chosen to study, Sociology and Anthropology. Socalled "Simple Random Sample" or SRS designs were the orthodoxy of the day when I was a student. Some challenged this orthodoxy with socalled "purposive" sample designs which proved to be much more efficient in a wide variety of cases.
Back when I was a graduate student and Senior Research Associate at the University of Michigan, I was asked to help faciliate "brute force" repeated replications of the process of sampling from some large datasets we had obtained from the auto industry. We used multiply replicated samples to produce empirical assessments of five theoretically proposed measures of efficiency (Standard Error of Estimate) for a variety of sample designs used to perform multivariate regression analyses on the dataset. I implemented and optimized the Fortran code used to draw the samples and tabulate the resulting theoretical and acutal measures of efficiency for each sample. The resulting PhD dissertation "sold" over a thousand copies before it had been available for six months! The tables we printed were apparently extremely useful to a variety of practicioners who knew that the underlying distributions of the phenomena they had under study were not "normal."
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 John C.
 070219
I don't get the bad reviews...
Plain and simple, if you want to learn the intricacies of Bayes Theorem please go to a textbook, there are 100's of them out there. This book was written by a journalist on the history and important events that led to the rebirth of Bayes on the 20th century. If you're familiar with Bayes, this book for sure will give you a new perspective on the topic.
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 Ivan
 111012
A fascinating story
The history of Bayesian statistics is fascinating, and this book ably tells the story of its twists and turns. I can understand why the author wants to insulate the reader from the mathematics, but I would have preferred a little more technical detail, especially as it applies to numerical methods. You'll come away from this book understanding how useful Bayesian inference is, but you probably won't learn very much about how it works.
I had no trouble understanding the narrator, but this is the first audiobook I've listened to in which some proper names (especially French names) were horribly mispronounced.
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 Dutch Breckinridge
 101420
Illuminated historical and personal experience of centuries of users. Well told, not technical reference.
The saga of Bayes theorem, development and uses is presented in an engaging and well told tale. The best way to think about this book is like that of Bates theorem itsel. Whatever you know prior to reading it, will be improved by the reading. The fundamental truth of closer approximation by increased data is fully explored.
The actual probability equations are rarely referenced. You will certainly know the historical and upto 2010 or so, the current authors.
I recommend this book for background and historical perspectives. Technically if you seek detailed algorithms, this is not your read.
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 David Steinsaltz
 080815
New developments in statistics breathlessly told
It's a pretty good history of Bayesian statistic, giving a good overview of the reasons why people are excited about it. Perhaps overly enthusiastic, both exaggerating the differences to other types of statistical reasoning and never making it entirely clear what distinguishes Bayesian from frequentist approaches, nor indeed what statistical reasoning is about to begin with.
The narrator is not the worst I have heard, and generally did a reasonable job of making an understandably modulated aural text. But as is often the case with scientific topics, no thought was given to finding a reader who is actually familiar with the vocabulary or the people. Thus, "theorist" consistently became "theororist", John von Neumann became "Newman", and Jerzy Neyman became "Neiman". Among others. It was still eminently listenable, but irritating.
6 people found this helpful

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 FergusG
 042417
Interesting book let down by poor production
Would you be willing to try another one of Laural Merlington’s performances?
The general narration was rather flat but the lack of research into common pronunciation was extremely grating. Not just the foreign (and tricky) words like "Aberystwyth" but even common words are tripped over.
Any additional comments?
I would have preferred a little more detail into the actual theorem.
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 SAN
 052722
excellent & enjoyable
it was as lovely as it is. Author has put significant amount of time and effort.

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 Don O'treply
 060621
Interesting topic but disappointing exposition
The book contains a lot of academic and military history regarding Bayesian statistics, which is moderately interesting. But the actual examination of Bayes theorem/formula is very superficial. I am left quite unsatisfied. The basic Bayes equation is certainly true under a very simple interpretation in terms of predicates and percentages. So where does the controversy arise? In guessing the socalledprior distribution, it seems. But Bayes formulae itself does not care about what is prior and what is posterior  it is just a relationship between the conditional probabilities AB and BA. And it follows logically from the equation P(A&B) = P(A)*P(BA) = P(B)*P(AB), which surely must be true. Do frequentists deny that? That seems unlikely. So after listening carefully to the whole of this book, I am disappointed that I could not clearly explain the difference between a frequentist and Bayesian view.

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 Simon Lilburn
 091817
An engaging account of subjectivist probability
A well researched popular account of the figures central to the rise of subjectivist probability in business, science, and the military. This is a weaving path through many fields, united by a preference on the part of the motley group of practitioners for using priors, more elaborated probability models, and Bayesian decision theory. The audiobook was delivered with clear narration and brought character to the work, enriching the story.
My single frustration was with the level of detail provided: often some of the descriptions of statistical models and techniques were vague, where additional details would have made for a more complete account of the work undertaken—and provided substance to claims about the novelty and ingenuity of the work itself. There is the occasional misrepresentation about some aspect of probability (particularly in what frequentist statistics can and cannot do), but these are not egregious and are usually just due to minor omissions of qualifying statements.
A recommended book for anyone who wants to hear about the contest of ideas at the boundary between mathematical formalism and uncertainty. In particular, I would recommend this book for those who work employs statistical inference to provide more context (and motivation and excitement) for the structure of the field today.
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These stories from Quanta Magazine map the routes of mathematical exploration, showing listeners how cuttingedge research is done, while illuminating the productive tension between conjecture and proof, theory and intuition. Listeners of The Prime Number Conspiracy are headed on "breathtaking intellectual journeys to the bleeding edge of discovery strapped to the narrative rocket of humanity's neverending pursuit of knowledge," says Quanta editorinchief Thomas Lin.


Better [more relevant] than you might expect.
 By James S. on 093019
By: Thomas Lin  editor, and others

Bayes Theorem: The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Bayes Theorem
 By: Arthur Taff
 Narrated by: Tim Carper
 Length: 2 hrs and 2 mins
 Unabridged

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Perfect for beginners wanting to learn about Bayes Theorem through real examples! What if you could quickly and easily learn Bayesian data analysis without complex textbooks and statistics classes? Imagine being able to apply your newly learned theory to real life situations! If you are a person that learns by example, then this audiobook is perfect for you! It is a very important topic in a wide range of industries  so dive in to get a deep understanding!


Terrible narration
 By Daniel Marjenburgh on 101218
By: Arthur Taff

Bernoulli's Fallacy
 Statistical Illogic and the Crisis of Modern Science
 By: Aubrey Clayton
 Narrated by: Tim H. Dixon
 Length: 15 hrs and 14 mins
 Unabridged

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Aubrey Clayton traces the history of how statistics went astray, beginning with the groundbreaking work of the 17thcentury mathematician Jacob Bernoulli and winding through gambling, astronomy, and genetics. Clayton recounts the feuds among rival schools of statistics, exploring the surprisingly human problems that gave rise to the discipline and the alltoohuman shortcomings that derailed it.


Rigorously Bayesian
 By Anonymous User on 012522
By: Aubrey Clayton

The Doomsday Calculation
 How an Equation that Predicts the Future Is Transforming Everything We Know About Life and the Universe
 By: William Poundstone
 Narrated by: Kyle Tait
 Length: 8 hrs and 12 mins
 Unabridged

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In the 18th century, the British minister and mathematician Thomas Bayes devised a theorem that allowed him to assign probabilities to events that had never happened before. It languished in obscurity for centuries until computers came along and made it easy to crunch the numbers. Now, as the foundation of big data, Bayes's formula has become a linchpin of the digital economy. But here's where things get interesting: Bayes's theorem can also be used to lay odds on the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, and on the biggest question of all: how long will humanity survive?


incredible.
 By Ben T. on 052221

Journey to the Edge of Reason
 The Life of Kurt Gödel
 By: Stephen Budiansky
 Narrated by: Bob Souer
 Length: 8 hrs and 52 mins
 Unabridged

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Nearly a hundred years after its publication, Kurt Gödel's famous proof that every mathematical system must contain propositions that are true  yet never provable  continues to unsettle mathematics, philosophy, and computer science. Yet unlike Einstein, with whom he formed a warm and abiding friendship, Gödel has long escaped all but the most casual scrutiny of his life.


Highly recommended
 By J.A.MANOHARAN on 102521

An Introduction to Information Theory
 Symbols, Signals and Noise
 By: John R. Pierce
 Narrated by: Kyle Tait
 Length: 10 hrs and 12 mins
 Unabridged

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Behind the familiar surfaces of the telephone, radio, and television lies a sophisticated and intriguing body of knowledge known as information theory. This is the theory that has permitted the rapid development of all sorts of communication, from color television to the clear transmission of photographs from the vicinity of Jupiter. Even more revolutionary progress is expected in the future.


Not bad, but...
 By Jane Doe on 062620
By: John R. Pierce

The Prime Number Conspiracy
 The Biggest Ideas in Math from Quanta
 By: Thomas Lin  editor, James Gleick  foreword
 Narrated by: Bob Souer
 Length: 10 hrs
 Unabridged

Overall

Performance

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These stories from Quanta Magazine map the routes of mathematical exploration, showing listeners how cuttingedge research is done, while illuminating the productive tension between conjecture and proof, theory and intuition. Listeners of The Prime Number Conspiracy are headed on "breathtaking intellectual journeys to the bleeding edge of discovery strapped to the narrative rocket of humanity's neverending pursuit of knowledge," says Quanta editorinchief Thomas Lin.


Better [more relevant] than you might expect.
 By James S. on 093019
By: Thomas Lin  editor, and others

Bayes Theorem: The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Bayes Theorem
 By: Arthur Taff
 Narrated by: Tim Carper
 Length: 2 hrs and 2 mins
 Unabridged

Overall

Performance

Story
Perfect for beginners wanting to learn about Bayes Theorem through real examples! What if you could quickly and easily learn Bayesian data analysis without complex textbooks and statistics classes? Imagine being able to apply your newly learned theory to real life situations! If you are a person that learns by example, then this audiobook is perfect for you! It is a very important topic in a wide range of industries  so dive in to get a deep understanding!


Terrible narration
 By Daniel Marjenburgh on 101218
By: Arthur Taff

The Art of Statistics
 How to Learn from Data
 By: David Spiegelhalter
 Narrated by: Jonathan Davis
 Length: 9 hrs and 1 min
 Unabridged

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Statistics are everywhere, as integral to science as they are to business, and in the popular media hundreds of times a day. In this age of big data, a basic grasp of statistical literacy is more important than ever if we want to separate the fact from the fiction, the ostentatious embellishments from the raw evidence  and even more so if we hope to participate in the future, rather than being simple bystanders.


very good statistics overview
 By Tom on 112919

Whose Middle Ages?
 Teachable Moments for an IllUsed Past
 By: Andrew Albin, Mary C. Erler, Thomas O'Donnell, and others
 Narrated by: Linda Henning
 Length: 9 hrs and 20 mins
 Unabridged

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Whose Middle Ages? is an interdisciplinary collection of short, accessible essays intended for the nonspecialist listener and ideal for teaching at an undergraduate level. Each of 22 essays takes up an area where digging for meaning in the medieval past has brought something distorted back into the present: in our popular entertainment; in our news, our politics, and our propaganda; and in subtler ways that inform how we think about our histories, our countries, and ourselves. Each author looks to a history that has refused to remain past and uses the tools of the academy to read and reread familiar stories, objects, symbols, and myths.
By: Andrew Albin, and others